The Dands

[janwhin]

Definitely a bit of guidance and on a Sunday too.

[janwhin]

I've now drifted off into the Dand family

John Tate Dand was the son of John Tate Dand Snr. who had inherited the estate from his uncle Middleton Henry Dand. It seems he had another son who also fought in the Boer War as the following news article reveals:

"The death is announced from Cairo of Lieutenant James Brignell Dand, 2nd Battalion Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers, the eldest son of Mr John Tate Dand, of Hauxley, Northumberland. He served in the South African was with his battalion, and took part in the operations in the Transvaal and Orange River Colony."
Shields Daily Gazette, 26 August 1904.
This James Brignell Dand lived at Togston Hall.

[janwhin]

There are a few bits about this Dand online. He was born in 1870 and served as a trooper in Matabeleland, Rhodesia with the BB Police? http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/16...30/edit/record

before joining the Iniskillings. Register of his effects is shown here: http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/60...79/edit/record
His medals for the Boer War are listed here: http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/16...35/edit/record

Just discovered what BB police is.....Bechuanaland Border Police

I don't know if you photographed this, Coquet, but according to the Imperial War Museum there is a plaque in St Lawrence:

"In loving memory of James Brignall Dand of Togston Lieut in the Royal Iniskilling Fusiliers who died at Cairo on Aug 18th 1904 aged 34 years."

London Gazette, 11 May 1900: "The Royal Iniskilling Fusiliers. Lieutenant James Brignell Dand, from 4th Battalion the Durham Light Infantry, to be Second Lieutenant, vice S. H. Hutton, deceased. Dated 21st April, 1900

[janwhin]

It looks like another brother was in the Boer War, he eventually inherited the estate, I think, Ralph Atkinson Dand, 55th Company, 5th Battalion, Imperial Yeomanry, Private 10012.

[janwhin]

Will of John Tate Dand, the father, who died in 1913, was as follows:

"Two farms at Moor House and Hauxley Cottage...to his son, Ralph Atkinson Dand; farm at Gainslaw....to his son, Rowland Grainge Dand."
Residue went equally to all his children, the two above, and daughters, Jane, Mary and Grace.

[janwhin]

http://www.fusilier.co.uk/cemetery/dand10.jpg

Do you think there is another inscription on this headstone? The parents were later buried in the East Cemetery.

[Coquet]

I can see on the East Cemetery stone that on the side is "also in memory of..." so there is more, but no photo I'm afraid, one to look at again.

The Dand plaques in St Lawrence are here:


http://www.coquetandcoast.co.uk/ambl...5&postcount=20


http://www.coquetandcoast.co.uk/ambl...4&postcount=19

[Coquet]

Not sure if this link will work but an Ancestry bod. has the Dand tree from the 17c:

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/821...id=42455021584

[janwhin]

Didn't realise another son had died, not much luck this family. The newspapers were full of reports of the terrible storms at Valparaiso in August 1888, in particular the Cambria (n):

"WRECK OF A LIVERPOOL BARQUE-LOSS OF LIFE,-It appears from the information received yesterday by Messrs. J. B. Walmsley and Co, the owners, that their barque Cambrian has been sunk, and a serious loss of life has resulted. The Cambrian was at Valparaiso, having taken there a cargo of coal from Newcastle-on-Tyne. While lying at Valparaiso a terrific storm arose called a "Norther," which caused terrible havoc both on land and sea. The French barque Etoile du Sud and the Cambrian collided, and both sank. In a cable received it was stated that all of the crew of the Cambrian were drowned; but in the message received by the owners it was stated that some of the crew were saved, though the names were not given. Captain Armstrong was in command on the Cambrian, and she was manned by a crew of 17 hands all told. Her crew were shipped at Newcastle-on-Tyne.....The Cambrian was an iron barque of 620 tons register, having been built on the Mersey in 1867."
Liverpool Mercury, 9 August 1888

[Coquet]

Originally Posted by janwhin

There are a few bits about this Dand online. He was born in 1870 and served as a trooper in Matabeleland, Rhodesia with the BB Police? http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/16...30/edit/record

Those battle clasps listed (Shangani, Bembesi and Singuesi) were never issued they went for this style instead.

Just a side note, on that Dand medal roll page there is a chap three down on the list, William C. Daniel - A note says "Sentenced to 14 years imprisonment, Hard Labour, for theft of money from Lobengula's messengers"

Lobengula was the Matabele leader they were fighting against, he actually tried to secure peace with the BSA forces but his messengers were 'accidentally' shot. From the roll it looks like Daniel still received his medal as his address is recorded as the The Gaol, Salisbury, Mashonaland


For the record the Bechuanaland Border Police were entitled to 558 medals.

[Coquet]

Originally Posted by janwhin

Didn't realise another son had died, not much luck this family. The newspapers were full of reports of the terrible storms at Valparaiso in August 1888, in particular the Cambria (n):

"WRECK OF A LIVERPOOL BARQUE-LOSS OF LIFE,-It appears from the information received yesterday by Messrs. J. B. Walmsley and Co, the owners, that their barque Cambrian has been sunk, and a serious loss of life has resulted. The Cambrian was at Valparaiso, having taken there a cargo of coal from Newcastle-on-Tyne. While lying at Valparaiso a terrific storm arose called a "Norther," which caused terrible havoc both on land and sea. The French barque Etoile du Sud and the Cambrian collided, and both sank. In a cable received it was stated that all of the crew of the Cambrian were drowned; but in the message received by the owners it was stated that some of the crew were saved, though the names were not given. Captain Armstrong was in command on the Cambrian, and she was manned by a crew of 17 hands all told. Her crew were shipped at Newcastle-on-Tyne.....The Cambrian was an iron barque of 620 tons register, having been built on the Mersey in 1867."
Liverpool Mercury, 9 August 1888

Here's the St Lawrence plaque text to go with that for the record:


In loving memory of Henry Middleton Dand, Aged 17 years. Second son of John Tate and Grace Dand of Morwick, who sailed from the Tyne for Valparasio on 20th April 1888, in the Barque "Cumeria" of Liverpool which was lost at sea with all hands. Morwick Hall, June 1896.



It does look like the 'Cumeria' is the correct name. Ship was carrying Cramlington Colliery large coals 1,815 tons 5 cwts. We even know the seams, Low Main and the Yard!

http://www.plimsoll.org/resources/SC...orts/15388.asp

[janwhin]

Originally Posted by Coquet

Not sure if this link will work but an Ancestry bod. has the Dand tree from the 17c:

http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/821...id=42455021584

Dand Tree here on Gloster Hill section of County History http://www.fusilier.co.uk/amble_nort...oster_hill.htm

[janwhin]

Originally Posted by Coquet

Those battle clasps listed (Shangani, Bembesi and Singuesi) were never issued they went for this style instead.

Just a side note, on that Dand medal roll page there is a chap three down on the list, William C. Daniel - A note says "Sentenced to 14 years imprisonment, Hard Labour, for theft of money from Lobengula's messengers"

Lobengula was the Matabele leader they were fighting against, he actually tried to secure peace with the BSA forces but his messengers were 'accidentally' shot. From the roll it looks like Daniel still received his medal as his address is recorded as the The Gaol, Salisbury, Mashonaland




For the record the Bechuanaland Border Police were entitled to 558 medals.

I'm really getting interested in this medal stuff

[janwhin]

I thought it might be a good plan to start a new thread instead of bombarding Mr Bell Bolton with all this stuff on the Dands

Warkworth Monumental Inscriptions, a work produced in 1890 by John Crawford Hodgson and Middleton Henry Dand refers to the tablets about the Dands in the church at that time and provides a bit of background to the family:

"Of a family of Bedlingtonshire yeomen, Robert Dand purchased about 1770 Gloster Hill, then a renewable leasehold under the Bishop of Carlisle. His wife was a Tomlin of Barnhill, in the township of Guyzance.
James Dand-a son of Robert, who died in 1801-purchased Hauxley Cottage and Amble Moor House in 1822, and Togston Hall and Amble New Hall in 1833. His wife was daughter, and ultimately sole heiress of the ancient family of Grainge of Sunniside, co Durham. Her father's brother, Middleton Grainge, Lieutenant of the 1st Royal Scots, fought at Culloden.....
James Dand died at Hauxley, 1844."

[janwhin]

The will of James Dand, who died in 1844, makes interesting reading (13 pages!)

He had, some years previous to his will, gifted farms to two of his sons:
Robert Dand......Field House at Longhoughton;
James Dand......Chevington Woodhouse.

In his will he gave his sons:
Middleton Henry Dand, his lands in Amble and Hauxley, which he had purchased from Edward Werge, together with his house, Hauxley Cottage;
James Dand, his lands at Togston, which he had purchased from Isaac Cookson together with the buildings at New Hall with the land on the west side of the road (Warkworth to Hope House);
Robert Dand, his lands at New Hall lying on the east side of the main road.

James Dand Jr. was the grandfather of John Tate, James Brignell etc.

[Coquet]

I would not be surprised if 'Middleton' Street, takes its name from this christian name used by the Dand family, probably Middleton Henry Dand.

(I'll see if I can merge all the Dand posts together into this thread.)

[janwhin]

Originally Posted by Coquet

I would not be surprised if 'Middleton' Street, takes its name from this christian name used by the Dand family, probably Middleton Henry Dand.

I think it most likely did. There is a long article about Middleton Henry's funeral in the Morpeth Herald of 24 January 1903. He had been chairman of the Amble Local Board, chairman of the Harbour Commissioners and a JP. He received the Lifeboat Institution's gold medal for saving a shipwrecked crew at Amble. He had been community minded for over 60 years.

[Coquet]

Originally Posted by janwhin

Dand Tree here on Gloster Hill section of County History http://www.fusilier.co.uk/amble_nort...oster_hill.htm

That's handy. Forgot about that!


When Middlelton Henry Dand had his legal battle with Radcliffe Colliery's Kingscote and Browne he was just 28/9. (I'm assuming he was the Dand in question?)

[janwhin]

The only references I can find are to Dand v Kingscote from about 1838, no first name. The landowner was still James Dand.....Middleton Henry inherited in 1844.

[Coquet]

Yes you're right. James Dand was still the owner during the legal tussle but he was in his 70s. So no peaceful old age for James then.