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Amble and my ancestors
Hello I put a brief message in the introduction section explaining I live in Australia but my fathers family came from Amble. On the 1871 census my great grandfather was the Inn Keeper at the Harbour Inn, he was Thomas Young and his wife was Isabella. They had two children , one daughter Elizabeth(who I will discuss later ) and my grandfather , also a Thomas Young.
My grandfather Thomas married a Barbara Anne Burns and they had two children in Northumberland, (one was my father, George Thomas ) before emigrating to Australia in approx. 1898 on the Orizaba and they settled in the remote area of Denham West Australia where they had a third child. Sadly within eight years my grandfather was dead, his wife permanently hospitalized and the three young children all place in an orphanage on Christmas eve. Consequently my father never knew much about his family , however I have been handed down a series of photographs of family which have no names on, though some have Alnwick, Amble or Newcastle upon Tyne on. These intrigue me and I would love to be able to identify my grandparents. My other goal is to find out if I have any relatives remaining in Amble or nearby. Elizabeth , my grandfathers sister married Edward Matthews in approx. 1877 and they had six sons. They were living at 9 Lime Street between 1891 and 1911. Their sons names were Thomas young Matthews,born 1878 Matthew Matthews born 1879 Edward Matthews born 1881 John Thompson Matthews born 1883 William Matthews born 1886 Alexander Matthews born 1888 From looking at the 1911 census I can see Thomas Young Matthews was married to a Mary Ann but they had no children at this date. Matthew Matthews was married to a Rachel Jane and they had a son John Edward Matthews age 3 Edward Matthews was married to a Mary THS and they had a girl called Mary Lillie age 4 and another girl called Elizabeth age 1. John Thompson Matthews was married to Mary Jane Air and they had two daughters Elizabeth Young Matthews age 4 and Rosanna Matthews age 3. William Matthews was married to Phyllis but at this date they had no children and Alexander Matthews was also living with them and still single. This is as far as I have got with the Matthews line but perhaps someone can relate to this information. I would be so happy to hear anything at all . Kind Regards Ken Young |
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I know it's not the info you are after but is your Edward Matthews the son of Matthew Matthews, Amble brickmaker? he will tie in with our tribe as my x2 grandmother's brother. [see image]
[I should add the Thomas Young shown in the tree is a different Thomas Young to the one in the opening post, but they are both at one time in Lime Street, Ken's ancestor managing the Harbour inn, and mine a Mariner/Harbour Pilot] |
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There was a John Matthews managing the Steamboat Inn at one time - I would not be surprised if he is the other brother. Harbour Pilots at the time appear to need the Young or Matthews surname as a job prerequisite . Some sort of Young/Matthews Mafia control of the pubs and port I fear.
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Yes that is the Edward Matthews my grandfathers sister Elizabeth married and had six sons by. On the 1911 census Elizabeth has died and Edward Matthews is still living at 9 Lime st but now with his sister Eleanor as shown on your family tree.
This is really interesting . Do you think it would be worth posting a few of my unidentified relatives photos from Amble and thereabouts? One does have Matthews written on it but which one I have no idea. Thanks very much for the information you provided I am very grateful. Ken Young |
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Hi Ken, yes please do post any photos. It is always a long shot but this website is relatively new - you never know who might come along with some information further down the line.
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Here is another [late] sister of Edward: July 1867. |
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Well thanks Coquet for sharing your tree, it looks like we're related Your Hannah White (1818) was the sister of my 2 x great grandmother, Margaret. Heaven help us
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I have Thomas White [b. 1775] from Rennington as the father of Hannah, but you will have to tell me who his wife was as it all went in the 'too hard basket' about then. |
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Thomas White married Hannah Bolam in Warkworth 22 Nov 1807, baptisms of children give loads of info but not for your Hannah. Thomas was baptised 21 May 1778 in Rennington, son of William and Margaret; Hannah, 14 March 1777 in Rothbury, daughter of Thomas and Margaret. |
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Many thanks Janwhin. That's filled in some gaps!
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thanks
Thank you for your help and suggestions, much appreciated.
I am currently uploading photos to an album on here. I also have other ancestors from Amble, my grandmother was a Barbara Anne Young, born 1863 , nee Burn/s , her father being George Burn/s, a master mariner and her mother being Barbara Burn/s, born approx. 1833, nee shade, Incidentally when George Burns her husband died she married a William Todd. All from Amble I believe. Would be wonderful if anyone recognised any of the photos |
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Good luck with the photo album.
I see John Thompson Matthews is in Northumbria Terrace on the 1918 Absent voters list and the 1926 electoral register. The absent voters list had him as 'discharged' with no other information so we don't know what unit he served in during the war. |
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I've purchased at a local auction the medals to an Amble WW1 fatality: 3771 Private Robert Henry Pringle, "D" Coy. 1st/7th Bn. Northumberland Fusiliers.
His mother was Isabella Pringle. Her first husband (and Robert's father) died in 1907 and she remarried in 1911 - marrying your widower Edward Matthews senior from 9 Lime Street. So a sort of family connection for me as well she married my Great Grandfather's uncle. There's lot of interesting things going on with this medal set. Robert Pringle was quite the artist and produced some oil paintings, which have sadly just been split up at the same auction, although I got one of them (it's massive!). His mother had a window dedicated to his memory in the Parish Church here in Amble, and I think she must have travelled to France to visit his grave as soon as she possibly could (1921) as I have her passport (as Isabella Matthews) which was issued specifically for a visit to the war graves. Here's some of the original packaging for the medals etc addressed to 9 Lime Street: |
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Passport photo of Isabella Matthews 1921:
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I have my great uncle's R |
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Here's Thomas Young the 1871 Harbour Inn Innkeeper's gravestone for your records. There is also a baby and child of Elizabeth and Edward Matthews in there. [this is Warkworth Cemetery] Those Matthews children would be blood relatives of mine then. Funny old world. |
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re gravestone
I cannot thank you enough for this picture, it is very important to me. Being in Australia and possibly not being able to visit the uk in the near future it was fantastic to see this. I went to England once but it was in winter and the driving rather stressful . As I stayed in Essex I only got as far as Whitby and turned back when the snow began. So I never got to see Amble and there abouts.
I try and go through grave yard records but never found this. Thank you once again , Sincerely Ken Last edited by kgy52; 11-05-2014 at 11:22 AM. |
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No problem Ken, it's a pleasure. We've been collecting the monumental inscriptions for the cemetery photographically. Getting them all transcribed is another ball game entirely!
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Matthew's family
To kgy52
Hello. All the Matthews you mentioned in your post are my direct ancestors. My earliest find is John Matthew's b 1801 in Newburn. As were all his children. Michael,John, Matthew, Thompson, Martha, William, Edward and Joseph. My line descends from Matthew b1827 Children Thomas,Mary J. Edward, Margaret A. John Thomas and Eleanor. His son Edward b1851 is my great grandfather who married Elizabeth Young. Children Thomas Young, Matthew, Edward my grandfather, John Thompson, Williiam and Alexander who emigrated to Australia and was in the army there. I have his records and photo. My elder brother was £10 Pom in the 60s now living in Brisbane. If you have any contact with Alexander's family I woul love to know. I found his grave and a bit about his children. Edward 's children Thomas Lillie, (my dad) Margaret Lillie, Elizabeth and Edward. Sadly all deceased. We are related to the Youngs and Thompsons through marriages. We are also related to the Lillies of Amble through my nana Mary Hannah Isabella Sproat Bertram who married Edward. I think she met him when staying in Amble as student teacher with the Lillies. I only have photos of Edward and Alexander but woul love to see or have copies of any other Matthews from anyone who is related. |
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