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Old 09-12-2014, 04:43 PM
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It looks like the partners in the Radcliffe Colliery were, Browne and Kingscote; Sir John Rennie; the Earl of Newburgh; Dr Elliotson; Sir Henry Webb; Mr Lamie Murray; Mr Teed; Thomas Smith and Francis Mills.
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updated. [might have to refresh the page]

That Earl of Newburgh above will be Francis Eyre self styled Earl of Newburgh. When the Countess's husband Anthony died the Earldom was to pass to a second cousin*, an Italian side of the family. He didn't bother so Francis Eyre claimed it (he did have a common grandmother with the entitled Earl)

*Prince Vincenzo Giuseppe Filippo Graziliano Giacopo Gasparo Baldassaro Melchior Domenico Giustiniani, 6th Prince Giustiniani. [is that a name or is that a name?]
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Sir Henry Webb;
The Countess was Sir Henry Webb's sister.
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Old 09-12-2014, 08:46 PM
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The partnership was established in 1839. Prior to that it was only Kingscote and Browne.
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Don't forget to put a link to the Forsyth photo collection for the demise of Radcliffe in the early 70s
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Old 10-12-2014, 11:50 AM
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The lease of Radcliffe Colliery was advertised for sale in the Spring and Autumn of 1854. By 1855 the colliery was owned by Harrison and Carr of Newcastle but under the brand of the Derwentwater Coal Company.
The sale advertisement referred to the royalty extending over 2,200 acres and the colliery working at the rate of 25,000 chaldrons per annum, but capable of producing twice that with more investment.
The Harrisons were John and Joseph, with Joseph living at Radcliffe. The Derwentwater Coal Company still owned the lease in 1868.

Whellan's Trade Directory of 1855 refers to the owners of the colliery as Earl of Newburgh and Partners but presumably this was due to the directory actually being compiled at an earlier date.
In the Newcastle Journal of 19 May 1855, the company was selling four draught horses, having been replaced by a locomotive engine. Applications were to be made either to Joseph Harrison at Radcliffe Colliery or to Harrison, Carr and Co of Broad Chare, Newcastle.
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updated. [might have to refresh the page]

That Earl of Newburgh above will be Francis Eyre self styled Earl of Newburgh. When the Countess's husband Anthony died the Earldom was to pass to a second cousin*, an Italian side of the family. He didn't bother so Francis Eyre claimed it (he did have a common grandmother with the entitled Earl)

*Prince Vincenzo Giuseppe Filippo Graziliano Giacopo Gasparo Baldassaro Melchior Domenico Giustiniani, 6th Prince Giustiniani. [is that a name or is that a name?]
We do have an 8th Earl (1818-1908), Sigismondo Niccolo Venanzio Gaetano Francisco Giustiniani-Bandini, 1st Prince Bandini-Giustiniani and 8th Earl of Newburgh. Phew, no wonder the Italian aristocracy didn't come to anything, their names must have worn them out.
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Great Stuff, I've modified the initial and 1839 financing. I see now how the pulled to other investors in - they had not long hit the 5 foot seam in the shaft.
I wonder if anything had been worked at that depth locally before? Probably not, so a gamble for Browne and Kingscote even if they had some borehole data.
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We do have an 8th Earl (1818-1908), Sigismondo Niccolo Venanzio Gaetano Francisco Giustiniani-Bandini, 1st Prince Bandini-Giustiniani and 8th Earl of Newburgh. Phew, no wonder the Italian aristocracy didn't come to anything, their names must have worn them out.
The Italians claimed the Earldom back at some date from the 'pretenders', and won!
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Don't forget to put a link to the Forsyth photo collection for the demise of Radcliffe in the early 70s
What date do we have for the actual demolition hollydog? I know I've put 1978, not sure how accurate that is? Did Radcliffe sit empty for a while?

I can remember spoaching around Chevington Drift after it was evacuated and abandoned - very weird and eerie experience. Not sure if Radcliffe had a ghost town period or not?
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It was early seventies as I was at Edwin School in 75 with Radcliffe kids who had been moved to Amble, I would have said demolition started 73 onwards - perhaps someone on this forum can help? The Drift was much later 70s demolition.
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During the 1972 miners strike, which ended in March, we were picketing at Radclffe because they were already opencasting to the East of the village. There were only one or two people left in Leslie Row awaiting houses in Amble.
I would say it was demolished in 1972. By that time the "new Radcliffe" at Amble was up and running complete with their WM Club.
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Old 11-12-2014, 09:31 AM
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I agree with Alan J. My dad was picketing from the Chapel at Radcliffe in 1972 and he said there were only a few people left. The pickets were using a lot of the timber from the houses to keep warm
As I recall the aim of the pickets was to turn back the opencast lorries.
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Old 11-12-2014, 11:52 AM
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There was a picket at the main road end of Leslie Row and one at the chapel, the object was to stop the workers crossing the line and any deliveries being made to the site. As the workers were none union members we had no success on that one and there were few deliveries so the whole thing was only a token gesture in the end. We covered, on four hour shifts, over the 24 hours.
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T Smith Will be TG Smith who left property in Amble a local major land owner! Later the Lawson-Smiths!!
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Old 11-12-2014, 06:03 PM
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The lease went up for sale again in 1867 following the death of one of the partners, John Harrison. Shields Daily Gazette, 14 December:
"This valuable and current going colliery and fire clay works, with powerful machinery, and the Royalty remaining under a surface of 2,600 acres, will be offered for sale by auction (in consequence of the death of one of the principal proprietors), at the Queen's Head, Newcastle upon Tyne, on Saturday 21 December....
Full particulars and conditions of sale, with a plan, may be had from John Taylor, Esq., Earsdon,; Messrs Hoyle, Shipley and Hoyle, Solicitors, Newcastle upon Tyne; or Messrs Hill and Hoyle, Solicitors, 123 Cannon Street, London."

Joseph Harrison still seemed to be an owner as he remained at Radcliffe House/Cottage until his death in 1877 with the occupation at the census of colliery owner.
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In the Newcastle Journal of 19 May 1855, the company was selling four draught horses, having been replaced by a locomotive engine. Applications were to be made either to Joseph Harrison at Radcliffe Colliery or to Harrison, Carr and Co of Broad Chare, Newcastle.
This must be the mode of transport for the coal wagons on the line to Amble? Bet that was an interesting machine.
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Done. Should have some CWGC details for the 1942 event as they list civilian deaths as well.
The newspaper reports on 16 February 1942 for the incident are:
"The Air Ministry and Ministry of Home Security this morning stated: "Early last night there was slight enemy activity over the coastal areas of North East England and South East Scotland. Bombs which were dropped killed a small number of people, and some damage was done to houses. One enemy aircraft was destroyed."
Enemy planes which crossed the North East Coast at intervals last night were met by a very heavy anti aircraft gun barrage.
Fighter planes were active off the coast.
An elderly woman, her married daughter, and the latter's little son were all killed during the attack on the North East Coast, where the plane destroyed is believed to have been brought down. An elderly miner also died as a result of shock.
A heavy bomb was dropped.
The dead were Mrs McDonald (60), Mrs Craiggs (43), the five year old son of Mrs Craiggs, and Mr J Douglas. A number of people were injured.
Damage was done to property at a colliery village.
An enemy bomber was destroyed off the South West Coast this morning."
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Old 11-12-2014, 08:54 PM
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CWG details:

Gertrude Rae Craiggs, civilian; date of death, 15 February 1942; age 32 (differs from newspaper report) born 1910 so 33/4
Of New Buildings, Radcliffe. Daughter of Isabella Appleby MacDonald, and the late John Edward MacDonald; wife of John William Craiggs.
Died at New Buildings, Radcliffe.
Ian MacDonald Craiggs, civilian; date of death, 15 February; age 5.
Of New Buildings, Radcliffe. Son of John William Craiggs and of Gertrude Rae Craiggs. Died at New Buildings, Radcliffe.
Isabella Appleby MacDonald, civilian; date of death, 15 February; age 59.
Of Togston View, Radcliffe. Widow of John Edward MacDonald. Died at New Buildings, Radcliffe.
I can't find J Douglas, presumably because he died of natural causes.
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Old 11-12-2014, 10:30 PM
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The Liverpool Mercury of 8 June 1881 has a list of petitions and liquidations including the following:
"W. Kinnear, formerly of Amble, Northumberland, coal fitter, then carrying on business in co-partnership with Joseph Harrison and the trustees of the late John Harrison, at Amble, and at Newcastle upon Tyne, under the style of the Radcliffe Coal Company, as coal-owners and fire brick manufacturers; afterwards carrying on business in co-partnership with the trustees of the late John Harrison and the representatives of Mr Joseph Harrison (then deceased); and now carrying on business at the same addresses and under the same style, and residing at Radcliffe House, Amble."

So it looks like the Radcliffe Coal Company carried on after John Harrison's death but with different partners.
In February 1882, the Liverpool Mercury carries a list of new registered companies including the Radcliffe Coal Company Limited, with capital of 20,000 in 250 shares.

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