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Forum: Togston, Broomhill, Hadston and Red Row 27-10-2016, 09:50 AM
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Posted By Coquet
Central Association for the aid of discharged convicts

Some kind of parole/monitoring/support body for newly released convicts.


Exeter and Plymouth Gazette 13th of February 1911

Hope for Convicts.

The Home Office last night issued a statement...
Forum: Togston, Broomhill, Hadston and Red Row 26-10-2016, 06:08 PM
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Posted By Coquet
Cf: The description of Thomas Craig who...

Cf:


The description of Thomas Craig who joined the army on 3 August 1878 is as follows:
On Attestation
age, apparently: 20 yrs
height: 5 feet 8 inches
chest measurement: 3 feet 0 inches...
Forum: Togston, Broomhill, Hadston and Red Row 26-10-2016, 05:49 PM
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Posted By Coquet
A little information regarding Thomas Craig has...

A little information regarding Thomas Craig has been revealed in a document digitised by "findmypast"



This is the 'Habitual Criminals Register 1915'



(Page 248) A list of persons coming...
Forum: Togston, Broomhill, Hadston and Red Row 19-11-2013, 12:39 PM
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Posted By Coquet
Yes I think it's a lovely red herring. The...

Yes I think it's a lovely red herring.

The fact '849' Thomas Craig's papers are missing could be significant. They could have been passed to the courts (if he's our man) during the murder trial...
Forum: Togston, Broomhill, Hadston and Red Row 19-11-2013, 12:20 PM
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Posted By Coquet
The fact that they have not recorded his marriage...

The fact that they have not recorded his marriage on his service papers is another problem for me, unless he married between his discharge from the army reserve and our first reference to him being...
Forum: Togston, Broomhill, Hadston and Red Row 19-11-2013, 12:12 PM
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Posted By Coquet
The medical condition I think is "Itch" =...

The medical condition I think is "Itch" = Scabies.

I'm sure when the army refers to 'habits' it is alcohol they are talking about - it was a massive problem :)
Forum: Togston, Broomhill, Hadston and Red Row 19-11-2013, 09:57 AM
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Posted By Coquet
1818 Craig was born in Cootehill Co. Cavan. Craig...

1818 Craig was born in Cootehill Co. Cavan. Craig in Prison in 1911 was born in Newbliss Co. Monaghan.

this is how far apart they are: 14 mins drive.
...
Forum: Togston, Broomhill, Hadston and Red Row 19-11-2013, 09:51 AM
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Posted By Coquet
Army Papers

just out of interest Janwhin or anyone with a subscription, if you are already logged in to FMP, does this link take you straight to the document?
...
Forum: Togston, Broomhill, Hadston and Red Row 19-11-2013, 09:44 AM
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Posted By Coquet
Fantastic find Janwhin! Now a set of army...

Fantastic find Janwhin!

Now a set of army service papers exists for 1818 Craig, but I feel this is not our man. (I could be wrong). 1818 was born close to where Craig was born; (as per the 1911...
Forum: Togston, Broomhill, Hadston and Red Row 18-11-2013, 05:22 PM
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Posted By Coquet
Is this the 1901 murder trial?

Is this the 1901 murder trial?
Forum: Togston, Broomhill, Hadston and Red Row 17-11-2013, 06:35 PM
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Posted By Coquet
It's a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an...

It's a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma. :D

Could be the Wooler man, 94th foot was classed as a Lowland Scottish Regiment, could have drawn a few in from across the English border,...
Forum: Togston, Broomhill, Hadston and Red Row 17-11-2013, 05:20 PM
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Posted By Coquet
On the Zulu war front the medal roll for the 94th...

On the Zulu war front the medal roll for the 94th Foot for 1879 service has two Thomas Craig's listed

64B/849 Thomas Craig

64B/1818 Thomas Craig


With the Childers/Cardwell reforms (1881)...
Forum: Togston, Broomhill, Hadston and Red Row 17-11-2013, 04:45 PM
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Posted By Coquet
I can't find Margaret Craig in the death indexes....

I can't find Margaret Craig in the death indexes.

[edit: have found a Margaret Craigs 52 recorded for Alnwick, 1st Quarter 1901, I assume this is her?)


If that is her, and they have her name...
Forum: Togston, Broomhill, Hadston and Red Row 17-11-2013, 04:39 PM
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Posted By Coquet
There is a problem I see with Margaret's age, but...

There is a problem I see with Margaret's age, but the Manslaughter newspaper story says "about 52"
Forum: Togston, Broomhill, Hadston and Red Row 17-11-2013, 04:32 PM
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Posted By Coquet
You're right, too little cross referencing of...

You're right, too little cross referencing of facts for this to fly I think Jahnwin. Perhaps if I can find the newspaper report for the 1899/1900 police assault we might be able to have a yey or ney.
Forum: Togston, Broomhill, Hadston and Red Row 17-11-2013, 04:26 PM
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Posted By Coquet
Not necessarily I have to say as 25 years service...

Not necessarily I have to say as 25 years service 'with the colours' is occasionally encountered, I just feel the chances are reducing with increasing age.
Forum: Togston, Broomhill, Hadston and Red Row 17-11-2013, 04:22 PM
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Views: 40,876
Posted By Coquet
The couple I was looking at is below as per the...

The couple I was looking at is below as per the Find my past site. They have a transcription error for her age, 29 recorded but actual entry is 39.

the address here is: 7, New Moor, Bothal...
Forum: Togston, Broomhill, Hadston and Red Row 17-11-2013, 03:33 PM
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Posted By Coquet
That would be too old. The Zulu dates were...

That would be too old. The Zulu dates were 1877-1879, the 1st Boer War 1880-81. So this 70 year old (1908) is unlikely to be the Thomas in the 1890 fracas.

[on the other hand, the incarcerated...
Forum: Togston, Broomhill, Hadston and Red Row 17-11-2013, 11:02 AM
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Views: 40,876
Posted By Coquet
So do you think this is the same man being...

So do you think this is the same man being assaulted by the police in 1890 as our Togson killer? His wife appears to be born in Goole. No children.

I cannot find any reference in the papers to...
Forum: Togston, Broomhill, Hadston and Red Row 16-11-2013, 07:07 PM
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Views: 40,876
Posted By Coquet
The incident with the policeman was at Stakeford...

The incident with the policeman was at Stakeford where this Thomas and Margaret Craig lived.

They are on the 1891 census in Bothal Demesne..........and census Thomas is born....... Ireland.
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Forum: Togston, Broomhill, Hadston and Red Row 16-11-2013, 06:45 PM
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Posted By Coquet
I should add the Boer War Craig refers to is the...

I should add the Boer War Craig refers to is the First Boer War, you will not have heard much about that because it was a disaster for the British (No Medals :()


Perhaps Craig was at Majuba Hill...
Forum: Togston, Broomhill, Hadston and Red Row 16-11-2013, 06:40 PM
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Posted By Coquet
On the 1901 census there is only one "Thomas...

On the 1901 census there is only one "Thomas Craig" in prison, with his age (+ or - one year). His trade is Coal miner hewer. Born "Ireland"

He is in Stafford Prison.


Fast forward to 1911
...
Forum: Togston, Broomhill, Hadston and Red Row 11-06-2013, 02:34 PM
Replies: 47
Views: 40,876
Posted By Coquet
Looks like he had a previous conviction for...

Looks like he had a previous conviction for assaulting a police officer. I think he was lucky to get the manslaughter sentence, it saved his life.
Forum: Togston, Broomhill, Hadston and Red Row 11-06-2013, 02:16 PM
Replies: 47
Views: 40,876
Posted By Coquet
I think he did. Below states 20 year penal...

I think he did. Below states 20 year penal servitude. But .. how long did he serve and did he make it back out??

[It looks like the surname spelling is 'Craig' rather than 'Craigs' - that...
Forum: Togston, Broomhill, Hadston and Red Row 10-06-2013, 11:19 AM
Replies: 47
Views: 40,876
Posted By Coquet
real nasty stuff. Coroner didn't think much of...

real nasty stuff.
Coroner didn't think much of poor John Joycey.
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